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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 20, 2008 5:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hobbes, Jerry and Arb

Hey Cush! Yep, Arb is putting in significant time on this defn tome. I reckon it'll blow all previous Hobbesian analyses out of the water...when he intermingles the Euclidean Jam with the Dire Condition of Man, lookout!

Seriously, though--good to see you. However, these brief "Cush Sightings" have got to be replaced with a full time presence...when your real life permits of course.

Forgot this:

"In Leviathan, Hobbes set out his doctrine of the foundation of societies and legitimate governments. Leviathan was written during the English Civil War; much of the book is occupied with demonstrating the necessity of a strong central authority to avoid the evil of discord and civil war.

Beginning from a mechanistic understanding of human beings and the passions, Hobbes postulates what life would be like without government, a condition which he calls the state of nature. In that state, each person would have a right, or license, to everything in the world. This inevitably leads to conflict, a "war of all against all" (bellum omnium contra omnes), and thus lives that are "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short" (xiii).

To escape this state of war, men in the state of nature accede to a social contract. According to Hobbes, society is a population beneath a sovereign authority, to whom all individuals in that society cede their natural rights for the sake of protection. Any abuses of power by this authority are to be accepted as the price of peace. However, he also states that in severe cases of abuse, rebellion is expected. In particular, the doctrine of separation of powers is rejected:[3] the sovereign must control civil, military, judicial and ecclesiastical powers."

Apropos LMA, eh?

This post was modified by William Tell on 2008-07-21 00:23:52

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Poster: veblen Date: Jul 20, 2008 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hobbes, Jerry and Arb

a reference to Thomas Hobbes on this site is so nice to see...though admittedly I thought I was going to see something on hobbes as in calvin and hobbes and not the great thomas...

"the state of nature is nasty, brutish and short..."

once I was stoned in class and heard the above as "the state of nature is full of nasty british in shorts..."

but that laugh sparked my interest in hobbes and I have been reading him ever since...